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Il-Kamra hi tgħix fil-

Il-Kamra hi tgħix fil-

Kate Kelly

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Nota editorjali: Din l-intervista hija parti minn serje, "Sorijiet Taħdit Out," li l-karatteristiċi nisa Mormon jitkellem dwar kwistjonijiet soċjali u politiċi. L-opinjonijiet espressi hawnhekk jirrappreżentaw il-kelliem, u ma jimplika l-approvazzjoni mill-Nisa Project Mormon jew Il-Knisja ta 'Ġesù Kristu tal-Qaddisin Latter-jum. Aħna nitolbu li l-qarrejja kollha jżommu r-rispett għall-fehmiet ta 'l-intervista suġġett.

Fuq Marzu 17, 2013, Kate Kelly imnedija OrdainWomen.org. Isforzi tagħha biex tiġbed l-attenzjoni għall-possibbiltà li koordinazzjoni femminili fasslu kemm tifħir mqanqla u l-kritika, iżda Kate jħoss li l-eżempju tal-ġenituri tagħha, l-esperjenza tal-missjoni tagħha, u t-taħriġ tagħha fil-liġi drittijiet tal-bniedem għamel koordinazzjoni femminili bandiera hi ppreparata li jġorr.

Kif ma familja u t-tfulija tiegħek esperjenzi jinfluwenzaw min int illum?

My mom f'ħafna modi huwa pijunier. Hija kienet waħda ta 'sitt nisa fil-klassi jiggradwaw tagħha fl-iskola liġi, hi kienet mara Mormon li ħadmu barra mid-dar u ħolqot karriera tagħha stess. Hija wkoll mara jemmen. Kienet mudell kbir għalija.

Iż-żewġ ġenituri tiegħi maħduma. My mom kien avukat u dad tiegħi kien pubblikatur gazzetta, u sabiex ikunu ħadu dawriet tagħmel xogħol tad-dar, jsir ċaqliq us madwar, picking jiftħilna mill-iskola jew meta konna morda. My dad sejjaħ lilu nnifsu l-"Laundry King" u li ser jagħmlu l-londri. Huma maqsuma kompiti, iżda kull ħa tagħbija ġust. Ma kien hemm ebda "nisa tagħmel dan" ostakli jew limiti.

Jien kiber fl Hoodem Xmara, Oregon, fejn kien hemm biss ftit elf ruħ. Kellna librerija belt ċkejkna, u fl-iskola tan-nofs I ċċekkjati out "Il-Mystique Feminine." Hija kellha paġni yellowed qodma bħall kopja vintage. A lott tal-letteratura suffraġju tkellem lili. I kien interessat fl-ideat, iżda I wkoll jieħdu ħsiebhom dwar ħwejjeġ u subien simili ħafna bniet oħra iskola tan-nofs fl-Istati Uniti.

I ma jkollhom xi tfal, iżda raġel tiegħi u I huma ugwali kompluti fid-dar tagħna. Aħna naqsmu (u negliġenza) xogħol tad-dar ugwalment. Huwa ħadem biex tpoġġi lili permezz-iskola liġi u jien issa qed taħdem waqt li hu qed jagħmel Ph.D. tiegħu Nagħmlu deċiżjonijiet flimkien. Aħna jikkollaboraw. Hu l-kollaborazzjoni aktar joyous tal-ħajja tiegħi.

My raġel huwa femminista mirakuluża. Ikun ġej minn familja Mormon tradizzjonali minn Idaho, u hu b'xi mod ħareġ minn dik femminista qawwija. Għalih, ugwaljanza tas-sessi hija intuwittivi. B'dan il-mod, hu simili għal dad tiegħi.

Ma jaqsmu familja tiegħek fehmiet politiċi tiegħek?

Ġenituri tiegħi mhumiex liberali fil-livelli kollha. Huma qed Repubblikani die-hard u l-ħaġa aktar 'il bogħod minn radikali li I jista' jimmaġina.

I kien definittivament soċjalizzati li tkun Repubblikana, għalkemm. Grandfather tiegħi kien senatur istat minn North Dakota, u kellna l-mugs iljunfant inforra dar tagħna minn kull sena elettorali. I marru għall BYU, u f'ħafna modi kienet soċjalizzati li jkun soċjalment konservattivi. Iżda kien attwalment fuq missjoni tiegħi meta bdejt interazzjoni ma 'varjetà wiesgħa ta' nies li I staqsiet jekk I really mixtrija kollha l-aġenda konservattivi. Mhuwiex simili missjoni huwa żmien politiku, iżda f'ċerti modi din kienet qawmien politiku għall me biss li tkun taf li n-nies kollha għandhom jiġu ttrattati indaqs, u għandu jkollhom aċċess ugwali għall-istess affarijiet. I kellhom qawmien politiku tard għal ħafna nies, iżda li kien il-bidu ta 'dan.

Kieku inti bħala outspoken u ħierġa bħala tifel kif inti issa?

I kien immudellat minn età żgħira li kien okay li jkunu opinionated, u I ċertament kien. I wkoll imħabba ħolqien ta 'spazju maġika fejn ħbieb tiegħi u I jistgħu jkunu kreattivi flimkien, jekk dik kienet qed tagħmel kostumi u se żfin, jew ħolqien ta' stazzjon tal-aħbarijiet foloz.

X'kienet kanal tiegħek aħbarijiet foloz imsejħa?

Kanal 5 News. Aħna aġixxa l-istejjer aħbarijiet (ħallelin bank, ċelebritajiet, atleti) u mdawra bħala l-ankri. Aħna wkoll riklami foloz għal prodotti iblah bħal program trampolin telf ta 'piż.

Kif sirt saru tant passjonat dwar kwistjonijiet tan-nisa u l-attiviżmu?

Jikbru, ħafna mill-affarijiet kienu mmudellati għalija fid-dar. My ġenituri maqsuma dmirijiet tad-dar u parenting ugwalment. Huma kienu tnejn breadwinners, u meta dan kien bl-għadma maqlugħa kontra dak I kien tagħlim fil-knisja dwar liema rwol tiegħi tkun bħala mara, kien hemm ħafna ta 'dissonance. Li beda picking up aktar tard fil-żagħżagħ tiegħi bħala I bdew jaħsbu dwar dak li ridt tkun 'avukat.

Peress I ma kellhomx xi ħbieb Mormon fl-iskola fil Oregon, meta I marru għall BYU kien sbieħ li jkunu f'atmosfera ma 'tunnellati ta gidjien Mormon entużjasti. Fl-istess ħin, bdejt tħossok aktar u aktar pressjoni biex jaderixxu strettament infurzata rwoli tas-sessi, u I bdew jirrealizzaw li dawk ir-rwoli tas-sessi ma jiddeskrivu lili u li jien ridt li jsiru.

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A esperjenza kruċjali għalija kien meta I ħa l-"Taghlim tal-Ħajja profeti" klassi mgħallma minn Lloyd Newell, il-vuċi ta '"Mużika u l-kelma mitkellma." Huwa assenjat karta ta' riċerka fuq kwalunkwe suġġett li kien importanti għalina u dak li l- profeti mgħallma dwar dan. I għażlet li jaħdmu barra mid-dar minħabba li kien importanti li lili u xi ħaġa li ridt tagħmel. I remember qari talk wara talk wara talk, u l-kliem kollha ta 'l-profeti fuq dan is-kien l-nofs tal-lejl, il-karta kien dovut l-għada, u jien seduta fuq xi couch shabby f'xi appartament Slum fl Provo, u I biss fallew. I b'mod ċar tiftakar krib fuq il-couch u qal lill ħabib tiegħi, "What am I se jagħmlu?" Minħabba I induna ħolm tiegħi kienu inkompatibbli ma 'dawn l-affarijiet I kien qari-li I kien jissoponi li jibqgħu d-dar u jkollhom gidjien. I ma tara l-ebda mod ieħor madwaru, ma kien hemm ebda għażla oħra. Li meta bdiet tkisser għalija.

I serva missjoni f'Barċellona, ​​Spanja, u dan huwa fejn il-saċerdozju taqa pulzieri Ħassejtni qisni kien hemm ħafna ta 'impjiegi li missjunarji sister kienu jkunu tajbin ħafna fil. Kienu jkunu kapaċi ħafna u effettiva intervisti investigaturi li jiġu mgħammdin, u għammduhom, jew jikkonferma minnhom 'kwalunkwe mill-ritwali jew ordinanza responsabbiltajiet li aħna ma tħallewx jieħdu sehem pulzieri Speċjalment fi Spanja, lott ta' kongregazzjonijiet biss ma għandhom ħafna rġiel, forsi żewġ detenturi Melchizedek saċerdozju jew fil-kongregazzjoni partikolari, u dawk ir-rwoli saċerdozju mtlewx setgħu jimtlew faċilment mill kapaċi, nisa fidili. Kien hemm ħafna ta 'żbilanċ, u li meta bdejt factoring fil-saċerdozju bħala l-għerq ta' dawn l-inugwaljanzi bejn is-sessi.

Wara missjoni tiegħi, I lest istudji tiegħi fil BYU u żżewweġ fil-Tempju Salt Lake City. Meta I gradwat mill-iskola liġi, I bdiet taħdem fil-litigazzjoni drittijiet tal-bniedem. I jaħdmu ma xi nies amazingly kuraġġużi madwar id-kelma, bħal nisa fiż-Żimbabwe li huma normalment arrestati, imsawta u ttorturati għat-talba għal konċessjonijiet sempliċi u jiġu trattati b'mod ugwali, u tatni ħafna ta 'waqfa. I bdiet titħasseb, jien tagħmel dan ix-xogħol madwar id-dinja imma dak li jien tagħmel għal komunità tiegħi stess? Dan kien wieħed minn dawk il-mumenti inti taf li kwotazzjoni, "I dejjem ħsibt xi ħadd għandhom jagħmlu xi ħaġa dwar dan, u mbagħad I realizzati I am xi ħadd"? Well, għalija, I xtaqu xi ħadd jagħmel xi ħaġa dwar in-nisa u l-saċerdozju. Ħsibt xi ħadd marret biex tibda dan il-konverżazzjoni u l-ebda waħda jidher li tkun qiegħda tagħmel dan, hekk jien ser jagħmlu dan. I am xi ħadd.

Liema tip ta 'tweġibiet rwieħkom wara OrdainWomen.org mnedija?

I ma kienx verament barra mill-closet dwar ordinazzjoni, so I kien ċar kif in-nies jirrispondu. Familja tiegħi kien estremament appoġġ. My mom sottomessa profil; u sister tiegħi, Mormon ortodoss li Qatt ma ħsibt li kien ikollu, sottomessi profil. My dad wkoll biss jitqiegħed up profil; hu membru tal-kunsill għoli isqof preċedenti, sehem, ukoll ħafna ortodoss. Naħseb li l-tweġibiet agħar għalija ġew mill-hekk imsejħa feminists Mormon li ma jaqblux bil-qawwa ma 'koordinazzjoni jew huma mqalleb ma' dak li aħna qed tagħmel. I ma jistennew pushback minn popolazzjoni li diġà talab pubblikament infushom feminists.

Nifhem huwa kwistjoni diffiċli li titratta ma 'titlob għall-bidla tfisser l-istatus quo hija insuffiċjenti u naħseb li post iebes għal ħafna nies li jmorru. I totalment jifhmu l-ispiża soċjali u emozzjonali, imma ma naqbilx li l-affarijiet huma biss multa il-mod kif inhuma.

Il-Ħadd websajt imnedija, I vacillated bejn entużjażmu u l-biża abject. I kien nervuża dwar kif ser jiġi riċevut, mhux biss mill-knisja, iżda mill-familja tiegħi u nies fil-viċinat tiegħi. Iżda tmur il-knisja li IL-ĦADD Marzu 17, meta varajna l-website Nisa ordain, kienet waħda mill-Ħdud aktar ferrieħi I kellna peress b'missjoni ta 'I tiegħi kien kapaċi li jkunu awtentiċi awto tiegħi. Naħseb ħafna ta 'li kien minħabba li dissonance ssolviet, mhux fil-knisja jew l-istruttura organizzattiva, imma għalija personalment. I kien kapaċi jgħid pubblikament dak I felt. Għalija l-rebħa huwa biss tibda dan il-konverżazzjoni. Jekk il-bidliet tal-knisja, aħna ser tara, I għandhom ħafna ta 'fidi se bidla, iżda ftuħ b'dan il-mod pubblika kienet esperjenza trasformattiv ħafna għalija.

Kif tiddeskrivi r-relazzjoni tiegħek mal-knisja istituzzjonali?

I think nisa għandhom jiġu ordnat, iżda dan ma jfissirx li l-benefiċċji spiritwali ta 'parti mill-ġisem tal-knisja ma jegħlbux wħud mill-isfidi. Dak ma jfissirx dawn l-isfidi mhumiex reali u bl-uġigħ u diffiċli f'ħinijiet, iżda bħala avukat Nimmaġina l-iskali tal-ġustizzja, u l-benefiċċji tas-sħubija knisja tiegħi jegħlbu dawn l-isfidi l-oħra.

Hemm dan il-kanzunetta aqwa kantata minn Paul Robeson, mexxej tad-drittijiet ċivili u mużiċist li, fl-għoli tal-era drittijiet ċivili, rat razziżmu horrible. Amerika kien tidwir il-pajpijiet fuq attivisti tad-drittijiet ċivili u isparar balal tal-gomma fil minnhom. Amerika kien post diffiċli li jkun, iżda huwa kantata dan il-kanzunetta imsejjaħ "Il-Kamra I Live Fil," u bażikament jgħid, dak li huwa l-Amerika lili? Hu l-dar I live in, huwa l-poplu I imħabba, huwa l-irġiel li għamlu dan il-pajjiż demokrazija 'huwa jiddeskrivi dawn l-affarijiet; u lili dan huwa dak Mormonism huwa. Hu l-dar I live in, huwa kif I tqajmet, huwa żwieġ tiegħi, huwa paradigma tiegħi, huwa familja tiegħi. Għalhekk, l-ebda, stajt qatt ma kkunsidrat li jħallu. Just għaliex nixtieq l-dar li jkollhom remodel żgħir jew ikunu aktar inklużivi jew akbar, ma jagħmilx xi inqas tad-dar tiegħi.

Għal nisa Mormon li ma jaqblux mal-ħsibijiet tiegħek fuq koordinazzjoni, dak li inti tgħid?

Naħseb li dan il-moviment huwa ferm ikbar mid koordinazzjoni. Huwa dwar il-ħolqien ta 'spazju fejn ikun hemm djalogu dwar kwistjonijiet kontroversjali. Naħseb li territorju ġodda għall Mormons b'mod ġenerali. I jistgħu totalment nifhem nies li jistgħu jsibu din approċċ theddida ħafna, iżda naħseb li l-ton tal-websajt u kampanja kienet waħda ta 'rispett assolut u l-kalma għaliex aħna insiders. Aħna investiti. Aħna mhumiex interessati fil diatribes kontra l-knisja. Onestament, I ma begrudge kulmin ma jaqbilx miegħi. Dan huwa proġett ta 'ftuħ ta' djalogu. U d-djalogu mhux biss persuna waħda li titkellem jew wieħed biss speaking ġenb. All I trid tkun għall-persuni li jiftħu l-immaġinazzjoni tagħhom u jaħsbu dwar dak li kien ikun simili jekk mara kien isqof, jekk in-nisa ġew integrati fil-venda fil-Konferenza Ġenerali, jekk in-nisa ġew integrati fis kollha tad-teħid tad-deċiżjonijiet? X'għandu li look like? Kif aħna jaġixxu u jħossu?

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Inħoss bħal Mormonism huwa tinda kbira. Aħna razziżmu, politikament, diversa demografikament. Aħna grupp wiesa 'u tista' tinkludi tant aktar minn l-opinjonijiet tradizzjonali li spiss huma mwassla. Dak hu li aħna qed jippruvaw jiftħu ma ordain Nisa we're wiesgħa, grupp wiesa 'li jvarjaw mill-president Relief Soċjetà għall-radikali, u l-ftuħ li l-ispazju huwa verament importanti għalija.

X'inhu messaġġ prinċipali inti t-tama xogħol tiegħek hija twassil?

Irrid nisa li jafu li huma siewja, iżda mhux minn xi ħadd tgħidilhom. I tixtieq li jħossu u jarawha. Images huma importanti ħafna lili, u meta nħares fuq l-istand, Irrid nara nisa. Meta I tisma nies jitkellmu, nixtieq li tisma nisa. Funzjonalment, m'hemm l-ebda persuna li tista 'tgħidli I am ugwali. I know I am ugwali, I know I am a bint ta 'Alla, naf li tant iħobb lili ... inħoss li meta Nitlob u meta mmur għall-tempju-I biss jaħsbu li jeħtieġ li tkun riflessa fl-istituzzjoni, fil-ta' kuljum prattika ta 'l-Evanġelju I love. C'est pourquoi I maħluqa ordain Nisa. Huwa sforz fil radikali awto-rispett.

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Kate Kelly


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Location: Washington DC

Età: 32

Istat maritali: Miżżewweġ

Okkupazzjoni: avukat International drittijiet tal-bniedem

Skejjel Attendew: Brigham Young Università, American University Washington College tal-Liġi

Lingwi mitkellma fil Home: Ingliż

Innu Favorite: "Għall-sbuħija tal-Dinja"

Fuq Il-Web: http://ordainwomen.org/project/my-name-is-kate/

Intervista minn Kathryn Peterson . Ritratti użati bil-permess.

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43 Kummenti

  1. angela s
    12:21 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Stajt twil iħobb dan is-sit u l-profili jsir. Dan wieħed, filwaqt li jien ma naqbilx ma 'nisa koordinazzjoni, nemmen sar b'mod rispettuż. Napprezza li kien rispettuż għaż-żewġ naħat ta 'opinjoni u Kate kien gracious fil-qsim twemmin tagħha. Huwa kreditu li tagħha li hi tista 'ma jaqblux mal-knisja dwar kwistjoni daqshekk importanti u xorta jibqgħu membri tagħha u worthiness tempju. Kate jidher li ma ppermettew dan li tissepara tagħha mill-tberik u l-ordinanzi li huma tant importanti. I se jżid I maħsuba biex tip xi ħaġa kompletament differenti hawn iżda bħala I bdew tip I riedu biex jimitaw il-graciousness li Kate rrisponda, sabiex nirringrazzjak għal dak.

  2. Kate Kelly
    12:48 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Grazzi tant Kathryn għal tali intervista delightful. U nirringrazzjak Angela, I verament japprezzaw tip kliem tiegħek!

  3. KD
    13:07 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Hi Kate,

    Jien mara LDS, u jien ma naqbilx mal-għanijiet tal ordain Nisa, imma jien jippruvaw verament diffiċli biex jifhmu dan. Jekk tiegħek huwa l-aħjar mod biex imorru, imbagħad I żgur trid tkun taf dwar dan!

    Mistoqsija tiegħi rigward tad-dikjarazzjoni tiegħek:

    "[T] o me dan huwa dak Mormonism huwa. Hu l-dar I live in, huwa kif I tqajmet, huwa żwieġ tiegħi, huwa paradigma tiegħi, huwa familja tiegħi. Għalhekk, l-ebda, stajt qatt ma kkunsidrat li jħallu. "

    Dan jagħmilha ħoss bħal r-raġunijiet inti toqgħod huma kollha importanti, iżda f'sens periferali. Hija l-knisja * vera? Huma mexxejja tagħha msejħa ta 'Alla? Huma l-pattijiet tkun għamilt eternally importanti u valida, tali li għal-leave u taqsamhom jkun spiritwalment ħsara għalik?

    Nittama li dawn il-mistoqsijiet m'humiex impertinent. Imma I really trid tkun taf.

  4. Kate Kelly
    01:51 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    KD I eku-kliem ta 'dad tiegħi fil-profil tiegħu:

    Alla huwa reali. Ġesù huwa l-Kristu. Joseph Smith raw Heavenly Missier u l-Salvatur. Il-Ktieb ta 'Mormon huwa veru. Thomas S. Monson huwa profeta. In-nisa għandhom iżommu l-saċerdozju.

    http://ordainwomen.org/project/hi-im-jim/

    Grazzi għall tistaqsi!

  5. Lindsay Mitchell
    02:59 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Jekk Jiena naqbel mal-pożizzjoni tiegħek jew le M'huwiex importanti kumment tiegħi. Irrid ngħid li stajt ġew jaraw dan il-moviment u inti b'mod partikolari, Kate. Fidi tiegħek, immaġinazzjoni, l-integrità, u l-kuraġġ jagħmel me jixtiequ I jista jissodisfaw inti fil-ħajja reali. You huma eżempju mill-isbaħ ta 'humbly u onestament tistaqsi mistoqsijiet out loud, mistoqsijiet li naf ħafna, ħafna nisa ġew tistaqsi fil-qlub tagħhom għal żmien twil issa. Din l-intervista tgħodd id-dritt fil kollha ta 'l-intervisti oħra ta' nisa Mormon tremend fuq dan is-sit. Ħafna ta 'ispirazzjoni.

  6. Mikayla Thatcher
    15:33 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Kate,

    Napprezza fidila, l-attitudni gracious tiegħek fil-midst ta 'dan kollu. I wkoll japprezzaw l-konversazzjonijiet li ġara fid-dar tiegħi stess minħabba x-xogħol tiegħek. Id-djalogu miftuħ hija tant importanti għall-membri ta 'knisja prayerful, bnedmin maħsub mal-kumpanija ta' l-Ispirtu s-Santu ma jkollu ebda raġuni li jkunu nagħaġ.

    Grazzi,
    Mikayla

  7. Crystal
    05:00 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    I love dan, Kate! I met inti fil DC, dawran-vaguni u kien impressjonat ħafna. I segwew dan il-moviment mill-qrib, u I am so kburi inti. Kif għalija, I ħallew il-knisja f'Jannar. Huwa ok li tappoġġja ordain Nisa, li jkunu telqu l-knisja?

  8. Kate Kelly
    07:20 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Grazzi Lindsay & Mikayla!

    Crystal, assolutament! Għandna firxa wiesgħa ta 'vuċijiet fil OW minn nisa totalment attivi bħali għal min mhux membru u nies li tilfu sħubija tagħhom fuq din il-kwistjoni. http://ordainwomen.org/project/hi-im-margaret/

  9. Julie Hawke
    07:37 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Kate, jien ridt li jikteb kumment li nirringrazzjak għall-fidi tiegħek u kuraġġ. I immensament japprezzaw dan id-djalogu u dawk li jikkontribwixxu għal dan thoughtfully. I kien preċedentement busy tipprova tkopri dmugħ fl-żebgħa u toqob fil-garża ħajt permezz garża, pulzier pulzier tiegħi fil-kantuniera tiegħi stess ta 'l-tinda. Ordaining nisa, lili, ifisser li aħna tista 'tiffranka ħafna ħin mgħoddi fuq pulzieri. Ħafna mill-inugwaljanzi strutturali u ostakli kulturali tkun xolta jekk aħna xolja l-idea li d-destin tagħna li tkun priestesses huwa limitat għall-isfera ieħor. Grazzi għall-ħolqien dan l-ispazju ta 'tistaqsi u jfittxu.

  10. TRISS Carter
    09:48 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    I am a jikkonvertu u kiber bi tliet aħwa tiegħi u omm. My missier sofrew minn iskiżofrenija u ma kinitx parti mill-ħajja adulta tagħna. Mom kienet mara li taħdem bil-biża indipendenti u iebes, ħafna politikament attiva u pjuttost vokali bħala femminista.
    I ssieħbu l-knisja minħabba r-rwol tan-nisa u l-irġiel fis-Evanġelju. I bħalissa am ħaddiem ordinanza fit-tempju Oakland. Nara assolutament l-ebda differenzi bejn l-irġiel u n-nisa fir-rigward tal-saċerdozju. Il-qawwa u l-awtorità mill-saċerdozju jidħlu biss permezz savior tagħna Ġesù Kristu; jdejh ġejjin permezz us, jekk dawk l-idejn huma stabbiliti fuq il-kapijiet ta 'oħrajn, jew fil-forma ta' talb. Talb huwa saċerdozju, huwa l-ħidma rridu nagħmlu anki jekk il-Mulej diġà jaf għalxiex rridu u bżonn. Li deskrizzjonijiet tax-xogħol fl-użu tal-enerġija saċerdozju huma differenti skond is-sess ma jagħmilha anqas jew aktar qawwija meta użat minn nisa. Jekk inti tifhem l-tempju, u li huwa l-eqreb lejn is-sema nistgħu jiksbu l hawn bħala mortals fuq l-art, tara lilna bħala tfal iħobb ugwalment u jingħata setgħa ugwali permezz ta 'ħajja twajbin li jsejħu l-Ispirtu s-Santu. Hija sullies-sbuħija u d-distinzjoni ta 'l-Evanġelju għall-mistoqsija duttrina bażika tiegħu. Aħna lkoll ngħixu u jimxu ġewwa l-Evanġelju hawn fuq earth u huwa żfin koordinat beautiful.
    Hemm ħafna kwistjonijiet li qed irabbu fil essay tiegħek li huma mhux biss dwar il-koordinazzjoni ta 'nisa għall-saċerdozju. Jidher aktar li inti qed jiddubitaw rwoli tas-sessi definit li l-knisja jidher li jkunu imposti fuq il-ħajja ta 'kuljum tal-membru LDS. Jekk jogħġbok ma jqattgħu aktar ħin inkwetanti dwar dan. Għandek isbaħ, Onorevoli u Alla talent mogħtija fl-intellett tiegħek li qed tuża b'mod korrett. Ħidma fil-jew barra mill-dar hija għażla personali tiegħek u mhux revelant li ordaining nisa għall-saċerdozju. Inti tara sessiżmu bħala l-problema, u ordaining nisa għas-saċerdozju bħala soluzzjoni tiegħek. Imħabba lilek innifsek, relazzjonijiet tiegħek, ġenju tiegħek u xhieda tiegħek, u ma jsibu fihom problemi bil-ħajja tiegħek bħala mara Mormon. Hija importanti mhux dak li nies oħra jaħsbu jew jgħidu, biss dak li inti taħseb jew jgħidu. Il-knisja hija hawn fuq earth li jgħin biex iżomm us qrib lejn Alla, imma biss safejn istat mortali tagħna tikri us. Mhuwiex l-Evanġelju. Aħna biss jgħixu parti żgħira żgħira tal-Evanġelju hawn fuq earth.
    Inħoss li dawn it-tipi ta 'skuntentizza fil lilna bħala nisa itellfuna mid miexi lejn exaltation kif biss aħna bħala individwi, marki tas-swaba, ħadd bħalna qatt qabel, tista'. Jekk jogħġbok jirriflettu itwal dwar is-sinifikat ta 'dak li nagħmlu bħala nisa fil-tempju, u dak li aħna kollha huma, irġiel u nisa, kif aħna jimxu fil eternity.

  11. RL
    22:38 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Grazzi għall-varjetà ta 'stejjer inti qsim fuq din il-websajt. I verament japprezzaw kif inti jaqbdu d-diversità beautiful nisa Mormon.
    Jekk Kate huwa verament interessat fl jiċċelebraw dik id-diversità, il-ftuħ it up saħansitra aktar, u t-trawwim ta 'djalogu dwar kwistjonijiet diffiċli sessi, nispera li hi jibda biex tara d-modi li hija effettivament jgħin biex tintefa l-isfel. Hija tissuġġerixxi f'dan intervista li sabiex tkun femminista Mormon għandek biex jappoġġjaw tagħha moviment ordain Nisa. Hija titlob dawk li jidentifikaw lilhom infushom bħala feminists Mormon "hekk imsejħa Feminists" sabiex jesprimu riżervi dwar jew kritika ta 'moviment tagħha. Hija mbagħad patronizingly tissuġġerixxi li m'għandux jappoġġja tagħha minħabba li mhumiex kapaċi jew lesti li jmorru kontra l-istatus quo jew jittrattaw mal-"ispejjeż soċjali u emozzjonali" li bidla bħal ordinazzjoni tan-nisa jista 'jħalli warajh.
    Jista 'jkun li hemm kwistjonijiet oħra sessi feminists Mormon oħra bħalissa jqisu aktar importanti minn ordinazzjoni saċerdotali? Jista 'jkun hemm strateġiji u għanijiet oħra li tista' titfa 'normi kulturali sessi u l-istatus tan-nisa b'modi sinifikanti?
    I nnutaw, f'diversi postijiet internet, li kull meta nuqqas ta 'qbil dwar l-għanijiet u l-metodi ta' ordain Nisa huma espressi, dawk in-nies jiksbu attakkati bħala traitors għall-kawża Mormon femminista. I kien jittama li permezz ta 'din l-intervista Kate kien irrikonoxxa l-istorja mill-isbaħ u d-diversità ta' feminism Mormon. Iżda minflok li jirrikonoxxi u jħeġġeġ varjanti differenti ta 'feminism Mormon jiffjorixxu, hi ppruvat li delegitimize lilhom.

  12. Martha
    10:59 fuq 12 Settembru, 2013

    Bravo għall Kate. Imħabba kuraġġ tagħha, imħabba site tagħha.

  13. NP
    03:59 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    RL huwa dritt. OW turi intolleranza għal feminists li jqajmu tħassib jew joffru fehma differenti 'huma skontati jew ikkritikati. Jekk inti femminista li ma taqbilx mal OW, allura inti mhux femminista reali. B'dan il-mod, OW jistgħu joħonqu nuqqas ta 'qbil u jiskredita dawk li ma jaqblux. Huwa li feminism? Mhumiex aħna kollha intitolati għall-opinjoni tagħna stess? Jekk inti tagħmel dikjarazzjoni pubblika, inti tiftaħ lilek innifsek għal kritika pubblika, sabiex inti ma tistax malign nies għal sempliċiment ma taqbilx miegħek. Madankollu subtext tiegħek tidher li tkun - feminists reali naqbel miegħek.

  14. Kayna Stout
    04:04 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    I am 56. Stajt kien madwar twil biżżejjed issa biex tara l-frott ta 'feminism, u dawn mhux kollha huma pożittivi. Titolu 9 huwa wunderbare. I remember-jiem meta isports fl-iskejjel għolja kienu ffinanzjati biss għall-irġiel. Li kienet żbaljata, u huwa meħtieġ għall-bidla. Matul kulleġġ fil BYU I studjat ġurnaliżmu, u I ma apprendistat fi rivista tan-nisa fi New York b'aġenda femminista. Hija kienet tissejjaħ New Dawn, u ppruvaw biex jimitaw Ms Magazine. I kien ħafna fuq il-bandwagon femminista f'dawk il-jiem. Tħassib tiegħi kienu għall-futur tiegħi u l-opportunitajiet tiegħi u s-suċċess tiegħi. Imbagħad fl-1979 tul daħal żwieġ tempju u tlett ulied matul id-disa 'snin li ġejjin. I bdiet tara l-ħajja ma 'par ġdida ta' nuċċalijiet. Wara għoxrin sena li jkunu fil-ħxuna ta 'dan (flimkien mar-raġel fidili tiegħi) permezz ta' programmi tal-knisja u fil-gwida dar, skoprejt kemm hu diffiċli ħafna huwa li jgħollu l-irġiel żgħażagħ biex isiru detenturi saċerdozju qawwija. Dan kien l-għan li I finalment ma kisbux. Tnejn mill wlied tiegħi ma jmorru fuq missjonijiet, iżda issa t-tlieta huma inattivi. Dawn huma fil-firxa età tiegħek 33, 30 u 26. Huma għadhom mhumiex miżżewġin.
    Iva, il-moviment femminista miftuħa konversazzjonijiet, u ġabu bidliet fis-soċjetà. Per eżempju, fl-aħħar żewġ deċennji ħafna enfasi tpoġġa fl-edukazzjoni fuq il-bniet issir aktar profiċjenti fil-matematika u x-xjenza. Dawk l-isforzi taw il-frott; aktar nisa minn qatt qabel qed tmur għall-kulleġġ u jsibu karrieri f'dawk l-oqsma. Li kien kbir għall-nisa. Imma minn fejn I sit bħala mom li tliet irġiel, il-messaġġi soċjali li jkunu mitkellma lilhom huma ferm differenti. Huma u eluf ta 'rġiel żgħażagħ bħal dawn issa qed tevita r-responsabbiltajiet tagħhom biex jikbru. Hemm tħassib kbir fil-knisja f'dawn il-jiem dwar iż-żamma irġiel żgħażagħ tagħna attiva.
    I tara dak li tara għaliex stajt ġiet fil-żraben tiegħek bħala mara ambizzjuża b'approċċ karriera fuq moħħha. I kienet li mara. Imma inti ma tara dak li nara bħala omm li wliedu. Dawn mhux qed jagħmlu progress fl-attività knisja jew fl-impenji għaż-żwieġ u l-karrieri serji. Stajt tidher tant ħbieb tagħhom staġnati fil twenties tagħhom. Huwa diżappuntanti. L-effetti futuri lill-knisja huma potenzjalment devastanti. Is-soluzzjoni faċli hija, "Ħalli l-nisa jagħmlu dan jekk l-irġiel mhux se." Naħseb li timbotta l-aġenda femminista kellu impatt mistenni negattiv fuq l-irġiel. Jidhirli li n-nisa aktar setgħa saru, l-anqas responsabbli l-irġiel saru. Ħafna mill-irġiel żgħażagħ fil-missjonijiet 20 tagħhom u 30 li naf jkun aktar minn kuntenti li let nisa affarijiet jimxu. Fl-aħħarnett, li biss toħloq aktar responsabbiltajiet għan-nisa li huma diġà enfasizzat milli jaħdmu barra mid-dar u jieħdu ħsieb tal-familji. Għandna bżonn l-irġiel tagħna fil-knisja biex iżidu l-pjanċa u jagħmlu sehem ġust tagħhom ta 'tgħin fid-dar u fil-knisja. Mudell familja tiegħek kien l-eċċezzjoni. Ħafna nisa fil-knisja llum ngħid li jeħtieġu aktar għajnuna, mhux inqas, minn żwieġhom u l-mexxejja saċerdozju. Naħseb li jkun żball kbir għall-Knisja biex ordain nisa għall-saċerdozju. Naqbel miegħek li n-nisa huma perfettament kapaċi tagħmel ħafna mill-doveri saċerdozju, u l-ebda dubju se jisbqu, imma jien ma naħsibx li jkun bidla pożittiva għan-nisa fit-tul.

  15. Kate Kelly
    07:05 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    RL & NP, I think y'all tagħmel punt tajjeb u japprezzaw sinċertà tiegħek. Ma nemminx li sabiex tkun Mormon femminista tajjeb inti għandek appoġġ tagħha moviment ordain Nisa. Xi wħud mill-ħbieb tiegħi tgħożż u qraba (u feminists qawwija) jaqblux u I-rigward l-opinjonijiet tagħhom (anki jekk I ovvjament ma jaqblux).

    Apologies tiegħi jekk dak il-messaġġ kien imwassal fil-subtext. I assolutament ebda intenzjoni li jkollna mtaqqla f '"li huwa femminista aħjar" konkors.

    What I fisser li twassal kienet li l-kummenti / reazzjonijiet I sabu aktar sorprendenti u hurtful huma dawk minn nies I antiċipati jkunu alleati tiegħi, minħabba li huma diġà jsejħu lilhom infushom feminists, iżda dawn ma kinitx tappoġġja lili.

  16. Mimi Smith
    07:11 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    I am so grat għal din l-intervista. I jista 'jara li Kate hija mara fidila li tant iħobb l-Evanġelju u l-knisja tagħha. Napprezza approċċ pożittiv tagħha u l-fehim tagħha li hemm ħafna minna li jsibu ordaining nisa saċerdot a diffiċli biex jibilgħu pilloli. Madankollu, I jistgħu jirrelataw għal ħafna ħsibijiet tagħha u sentimenti I filwaqt li kienet qed tiskonta missjoni. I am étonné lejn l-nisa talent u intelliġenti fil-knisja u I Marvel fil-kapaċitajiet ta 'tmexxija tagħhom. Naħseb jekk aħna pazjent u jmorru bil-mod se naraw xi affarijiet isbaħ jiġri fil-knisja għan-nisa.

  17. EFH
    11:27 fuq 13 Settembru, 2013

    Kate, I am a femminista u I qagħdu lura milli jappoġġjaw bis-sħiħ moviment OW tiegħek għal raġunijiet differenti. Madankollu, I japprezzaw sinċertà tiegħek, passjoni u l-onestà. I japprezzaw ix-xogħol tiegħek. Jekk naqblu dwar kif iġġib bidla pożittiva fil-knisja, I japprezzaw inti, messaġġ tiegħek u kuraġġ tiegħek. Anki jekk jista 'ma jkunx il-mod id-dritt biex tagħmel affarijiet, hija tagħti vuċi u validazzjoni għall-vojt fejn ħafna minna jista jaħbu. Allura, grazzi għall-eżempju tiegħek.
    PS - I jgħixu fil-qasam DC u nispera li jissodisfaw inti ġurnata waħda.

  18. Karità
    14:02 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    Ukoll jitqiegħdu, Kayna. Grazzi għal żieda ħsibijiet tiegħek.

    Il-saċerdozju mhix dwar jkollna affarijiet jsir, jew running-Knisja perfettament. Huwa lanqas dwar l-effiċjenza. Huwa dwar l-iżvilupp personali ta 'tajba, irġiel upstanding li jgħixu l-prinċipji tal-Evanġelju. Din hija xi ħaġa li naħseb kull mara fil-Knisja, u d-dinja għal dik il-kwistjoni, huwa interessat pulzieri Għandna bżonn irġiel li tonora saċerdozju tagħhom, għaliex jagħmlu hekk jgħinhom ikunu missirijiet twajbin u ċ-ċittadini tajba tad-dinja. Għal raġunijiet I ma jifhmux bis-sħiħ (għalkemm I jista postulate ftit), l-irġiel isibu dan l-iżvilupp permezz tal-saċerdozju. Nisa jsibuha x'imkien ieħor, forsi anke parzjalment mill-pass lura u li jagħtu l-irġiel l-opportunità. Għandi fidi fil Heavenly Missier loving li jaf tant aħjar minn us dak li rridu, u dak l-bżonnijiet tal-Knisja. Ma naħsibx Hu hekk kkonċernati ma 'affarijiet taħdem aktar mod lixx possibli. I do think Hu jkun interessat fl-iżvilupp personali ta 'kull wieħed mill-tfal tiegħu.

  19. Tamra
    17:04 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    Kate, I am not attwalment involuti b'mod attiv mal-moviment OW imma I am ħafna appoġġ. Huwa bidu importanti għall-bidliet li someday se jsiru realtà. So I infaħħar inti għat-teħid formalment l-passi għal nisa oħra ... li lanqas biss jafu għadu kemm huwa importanti li jkollhom din dialog issa.
    Demeanor tiegħek huwa beautifully sinċiera mingħajr reat jew rabja. Huwa vuċi ċara qawwi f'dan vojt għan-nisa.

  20. Donna
    18:08 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    Għandi l-privileġġ li mom Kate Kelly, u I jista 'jiggarantixxi għal kull kelma hi qalet. Hija ħaġa normali li l-mom li għandhom tifla bħala mentor, imma jiena mhux tas-soltu mbierka b'dan il-mod. Meta Kate told me hi kienet tibda ordain Nisa, I kien abbord mill-ewwel mument. Anki jekk dawn is-snin I ma kinux artikolata li ħsibt nisa għandhom jitħallew iżommu l-saċerdozju, jien dejjem ħass li fil-fond fl-għadam tiegħi. Ma kien hemm biss l-ebda post biex b'sigurtà ngħid dak I felt. Grazzi, Kate, għal ħolqien ta 'spazju ħafna pubbliku għall-hekk ħafna minna. I jemmnu dak President Hinckley qal fl-1997 - Alla jista 'jagħti lin-nisa l-saċerdozju jekk kien hemm "aġitazzjoni" għaliha. I jkollhom xhieda qawwija li l-Evanġelju huwa veru u li l-knisja hija tajba, għalkemm mhux perfetta, ifisser li titkompla din Evanġelju. L-Evanġelju hija fil-proċess li tiġi kompletament restawrata, u ordaining nisa hija parti ta 'dak ir-restawr kbir.

  21. Erin
    20:20 fuq Settembru 13, 2013

    Kayna-AMEN. I kienet mara waħda fil-qasam DC fl-90s tard u 2000ijiet u ma nistax jgħidlek kemm irġiel Rajt languishing fl-20s tagħhom, 30s, u anki 40s għal xi raġuni jew oħra. Ħafna kienu suċċess fil-karrieri tagħhom għaliex dik hija n-natura tal-burdata tal-reġjun imma tant kienu biss mwaħħla fil-mentalità Peter Pan.

    Jien ixxurtjati li jkunu miżżewġa qawwija, raġel fidili li jonora r-responsabbiltajiet saċerdozju tiegħu u konna kienu miżżewġa għal aktar minn għaxar snin u għandhom żewġt itfal mill-isbaħ. I ħadmu full-time matul dak il-perjodu kollu ħlief għal tmien ġimgħat ta 'leave għal kull twelid. My raġel dejjem kienet ta 'appoġġ u jien qatt ma ħass inqas milli lilu. I jħossu bħala ugwali tiegħu f'kull mod, anki jekk dan ifisser nagħmlu affarijiet differenti madwar id-dar u l-kura għat-tfal b'modi differenti. I think in my personal development path, since I can be a very head-strong individual, I really do need to step back occasionally and let the men around me step up to the plate and fulfill their priesthood responsibilities. Could I do their job better? Perhaps. But that's not how I'm going to grow on this earth. I was an ordinance worker for four years in the DC temple and I -never- felt unequal there. Qatt. I have zero desire to be ordained to the priesthood. I need less church responsibility, not more. I am the RS president in my current ward and I feel like the bishop really values my input. I have zero desire for the additional spiritual weight and responsibility that his calling brings. Zero. Are there gender issues and sexism in the church population? Absolutely. And I call them out when I see them. But as RL pointed out, I don't think ordaining women is the solution.

    All that being said, I actually appreciate that you're doing what you're doing in such a beautiful, loving way. It's good to at least have the discussion.

  22. PA
    11:02 pm on September 14th, 2013

    In my career, I work with people toward community solidarity and resilience. I find it interesting that the Mormon community seems to have exactly the opposite problem as they. In the community I work with, women are asking the men to get together on their own and to reclaim their masculine power. Men need a space and role to call their own. Without that, they often languish. Does this mean that men are weak? I don't think so. It means that there is something in men (perhaps an evolved instinct, I don't know) that connects with the expectation to step up when called upon for spiritual leadership. The Priesthood Session is not only a place for men to solidify power; in fact, on the contrary, I think that it is, in practice, more properly understood to be a special place in which men enjoy brotherhood and talk intimately about current men's problems (eg, pornography, the treatment of women, domestic violence, racism, etc; if we are to grant that one must live in a woman's body to fully understand women's experience, we must grant the same to men). It is not just a good old boys club of power (though I recognize that some changes need to take place to empower women). What concerns me most about the strategy of OW is that many men see Priesthood meeting not as an exclusive club of power, but rather as an intergenerational opportunity to explore men's issues, pass down stories of unique importance to men, and to raise the next generation of servants. By insisting on gaining admission as listeners, I feel that the wrong message might be taken. Let men have their unique, male space. Ask that women speak at Priesthood session. Men need to hear and respond to the concerns of women, who need a greater say in the Church. Ask that the meeting be renamed and that Bishops don't refer to men as “The Priesthood.” How do you get a boy growing into testosterone and aggression to learn a higher way? Ask him to pass the sacrament–in effect, to stay involved, to serve the congregation, to learn to subjugate some of his needs for the benefit of the community. I say all of this, realizing that sex and gender are a continuum; I think, however, that it's impossible to create a healthy society without establishing some norms based on biological probabilities. Where else but in the Mormon Church does one see men aspiring to become humble servants of the Lord? The danger (a side effect?) of the current system is male privilege and paternalism. Let's address those while taking care that we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

  23. Catherine
    1:18 pm on September 15th, 2013

    It's important to note that the Ordain Women site represents a very small minority of self-identified Mormon feminists. Viewing their agenda as representative of that of all feminists is something like believing that PETA is the voice of all animal lovers.

    This is unprecedented: that individual female members unite online to organize a campaign against LDS Church leaders to lobby for priesthood ordination — by utilizing the media as their advocates to both protect themselves and to put pressure on the Church in an attempt to force desired change.

    These sisters have made a choice to step away from the Church and work outside the appointed priesthood councils, (of those having keys) to form their own plan to get what they want, with zero regard for the Church and the very men, authorized to exercise priesthood, which they claim to sustain as prophets, seers and revelators.

    We might want to keep in our minds the very recent words of His Prophet, President Thomas S. Monson:

    “I assure you that the Church is in good hands. The system set up for the Council of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve assures that it will always be in good hands and that, come what may, there is no need to worry or to fear. Our Savior, Jesus Christ, whom we follow, whom we worship, and whom we serve, is ever at the helm. As we now go forward, may we follow His example. He left His footprints in the sands of the seashore, but He left His teaching principles in the hearts and in the lives of all whom He taught. He instructed His disciples, and to us He speaks the same words, “Follow thou me” (John 21:22). May we ever be found doing so.”

    I thoroughly trust that the prophets are called of God and that they are not running this Church alone, but that Jesus Christ stands at the head. So I will put my trust in the Lord and His prophets. And, therefore, anyone who issues calls to action to members of the Church on behalf of the Church, who does not have authority to do so, I will not follow.

  24. Deborah
    4:12 pm on September 15th, 2013

    “Functionally, there is no person that can tell me I am equal. I know I am equal, I know I am a daughter of God, I know he loves me … I feel that when I pray and when I go to the temple…”

    I agree 100% with this statement which is why the issue of women holding the priesthood is a non-issue with me. Holding or not holding the priesthood is entirely immaterial to my relationship with God and my personal salvation. What is fundamentally pertinent to my salvation is that the priesthood is here on the earth and I have ready and equal access to it at all times. God is fair and just. Do you really think any woman living alone has less access to the priesthood than one who does not? Or that somehow God will deny her blessings?

    If the Lord decides He wants women to hold the priesthood, great, I'm all in. But it would not effect my testimony one way or the other. I have no need to “agitate” because I feel no discrimination.

    Having said all that, I applaud Kate's graciousness. When a controversial issue is approached in this way, it causes me to listen. I may not agree, but I listen.

  25. Kate Kelly
    9:16 pm on September 15th, 2013
  26. KD
    10:22 pm on September 15th, 2013

    Robeson did not write “The House I Live in.” He did sing it, beautifully, and perhaps most famously in the context of Union Organizing Conferences in the 1940s. The fire hoses were turned on civil rights demonstrators in the 1960s. Real bullets (not rubber ones) were used on those who fought for human dignity and racial equality throughout American history. OW's repeated suggestions that their struggle for women's ordination to the priesthood is akin to the struggle for racial equality in the United States (or in the LDS church )is as misplaced as Elder's Oak's suggestion that persecution against Mormons post-Proposition 8 was like that faced by blacks in Jim Crow America.

  27. Kate Kelly
    6:44 am on September 16th, 2013

    RL I am sincerely interested in knowing how you think we could best honor our truth and push for ordination while respecting the contributions, opinions and methods.

    I sense and acknowledge as valid your anger and annoyance. Constructive, concrete suggestions would genuinely be appreciated.

  28. Kate Kelly
    06:45 fuq Settembru 16, 2013

    contributions, opinions and methods [of other MoFems].

  29. admin
    9:07 am on September 16th, 2013

    We have generally been pleased with the cordial tone of the comments on this interview. However, we have removed some comments we feel are disrespectful or condemning, in keeping with the Mormon Women Project's stringent commenting policy and spirit of bridge building.

  30. Krisanne
    11:29 am on September 16th, 2013

    Kate, thank you for being brave enough to ask difficult questions. The entire foundation of our church is built on the spirit of seeking. It all started with a 14 year old boy who was uncomfortable with the status quo and sought a deeper truth. Whether or not one agrees with the ordination of women, I certainly don't see anything disagreeable about the process of honest and heartfelt inquiry. You have a lot of integrity. Kudos to you.

  31. Jennifer
    12:31 pm on September 16th, 2013

    Interesting interview. While I have not sought after the priesthood and don't intend to, I can definitely appreciate the importance of the discussion. This church started because someone asked the hard and unpopular questions. Grazzi għall-qsim istorja tiegħek.

  32. Olivia
    4:57 pm on September 16th, 2013

    I disagree with this fringe movement away from the mainstream church and won't be championing it or congratulating it. The temple and doctrine therein makes it very clear where the Lord stands on this issue. I am excited for General Conference to hear from our inspired Priesthood leaders who are called of God. Only a few more weeks!

  33. Tasha
    9:11 pm on September 16th, 2013

    I'm one of those Mormon feminists that definitely has reservations about the idea (though less so the website). It's simply just not something I can agree with. I don't pretend to understand the current dynamics and certainly see plenty of false culturally-built ideas about gender that I don't personally subscribe to. That stated it was helpful to read the essays by the women. And I read quite a few of them (almost all of them when I did it, now probably closer to half or so). And though I don't fully understand and am working to develop my own understanding about the priesthood and women, I can't subscribe to the reasoning provided by these women. They felt incomplete, worked within only a given paradigm, and I could find plenty of ways to reframe the ideas, thoughts, feelings, etc that were expressed. Many of the more emotive reasons simply were not what I felt at all. Simply put it was not enough valid reasoning for me to assume in female ordination exactly like men.

    It helped me to figure out where I could or couldn't stand in more defined terms by recognizing why I didn't believe beyond subjective feeling. Before that, I sensed that it wasn't the right approach or better gender equity without the words for it beyond that and without being particularly satisfied with the answers usually given by women as to why they don't want it.

    It's probably not exactly what would be expected, but I think dialogue in this regard should expect pushback and apprehension about it. It's not necessarily about pushing against the status quo, but how and why and where that status quo is pushed. It's in these things that I hold the most reservations about it.

  34. Julie
    4:17 pm on September 19th, 2013

    I consider this recent BYU Education Week address by Robert Millett, professor at BYU and author to be a fantastic addition to this interview. From the Church's website (just published):

    https://www.lds.org/church/news/five-ways-to-detect-and-avoid-doctrinal-deception?lang=eng

  35. Amanda
    5:09 pm on September 20th, 2013

    Kate,
    I so strongly admire your courage and conviction and integrity. As a MoFem I have struggled with what I believe (is female ordination necessary? sufficient? the best way to push things forward?) and also the courage to act on my beliefs. I feel refreshed reading your interview and encouraged to be more faithful and more authentic.

  36. Jamie Z
    1:04 pm on October 1st, 2013

    Kate: you are flaming wonderful and brilliant. Thank you for your voice and your courage.

  37. Jenn S
    10:46 am on October 2nd, 2013

    I really appreciate reading this biography. I admire Kate's courage and support her movement in my heart and mind. I support it because I see no other way to bring about a condition for completely active and faithful women in the church to act upon their agency unless they have a level of control and power from which to act.

    From my perspective, this doesn't currently exist with the many inequalities that exist starting at age 8 between female and male.

    I believe that women and men should be able to act according to their conscience and that societal and cultural parity must exist between the sexes in order for this to occur.

  38. So You Want God's Power? | Teresa Hirst
    12:28 pm on October 2nd, 2013

    [...] in reality, these discussions started online years ago and most recently about six months ago by a woman named Kate Kelly and others who advocate for women being ordained to the priesthood in the Church at [...]

  39. J.
    10:34 am on October 8th, 2013

    Kate Kelly beautifully and graciously expresses her observations, thoughts and feelings. Many of the readers' comments I've read have been insightful and thought-provoking. As a stay at home father, and husband of a good, smart, and ambitious woman, I understand some sex role issues , and concerns some LDS women have with not being ordained to the priesthood. There are certainly men in positions of authority who aren't as humble and spiritual as they should be. Likewise, however, there are women in positions of authority who are similarly imperfect.

    I used to wonder how the world would differ from the world we live in if women ruled. Some women claim it'd be a kinder, gentler, more civilized place. Serving as a director in our coop building in Manhattan (and experience in the workforce all my adult life) showed me that sex does not determine character. I feel quite sure if the sex roles were reversed, the world would function on pretty much the same level it now does. Are women as capable as men? Absolutely. Are there differences between the sexes? Iva. Do they matter? I'm not sure.

    Kate responded earlier to someone's question by quoting her father, who said: “God is real. Jesus is the Christ. Joseph Smith saw Heavenly Father and the Savior. The Book of Mormon is true. Thomas S. Monson is a prophet. Women should hold the priesthood.” I echo most of these statements. But there are two things I find missing. The first is a declaration of knowledge that God the Father and Jesus Christ restored the Gospel through Joseph Smith. The second, directly related, is a declaration that Thomas S. Monson is THE prophet on the earth at this time…not just “a” prophet.

    A fundamental tenet of our faith is that God directs His church through a single human mouthpiece. We know that each of us with callings are entitled to inspiration from God to help us in our stewardships, but we are not entitled to inspiration for the whole church, or organizations other than those over which we have stewardship. Currently, President Monson is entitled to inspiration for everyone.

    As a man, it's helpful to me to have a males' meeting at church, and to have the responsibilities and expectations of me that come with the priesthood. I do think these are really good for young boys and men of all ages. However, these considerations aren't really important. What is important is submission to God's will. In fact the only true proof of our mettle as Latter Day Saints is our submission to God's will, just as Christ showed in Gethsemane and on the Cross. It isn't expedient use of human resources. It isn't reaching our administrative potentials. It's submission to God's will, even when we don't understand it. Clearly women could do as well as men in priesthood callings. And if priesthood ordination comes to women at some point, sooner or later, then ok. My question to those of you who are actually faithful LDS feminists is…if it's not God's will that you be ordained, are YOU ok with that? Will YOU remain faithful? Will you submit to God's will for you? I hope you will.

  40. Ginee
    6:45 am on October 14th, 2013

    Kayna said what I was thinking so beautifully. In a world where women are being “equalize”, what happens to the importance of our men, the growing of good, solid men? I see more and more men not taking responsibility for equality when women are willing to take more in the name of being equal.Young men are becoming bums and living at home more and more, while women are telling them they are unneeded. I am afraid having the priesthood would just mean more work for me. I feel like our portion now as women is like an iceberg. We feel unequal because the tip only shows and the rest is hidden to our perspective, for now. Even if that analogy isn't exactly true, If I had to choose to “allow” my husband the priesthood on earth to save his soul and be my worthy companion in the eternities, I would be “unequal” for no other reason than to save him. I strongly believe not having use of all the priesthood is to save my hubby, son, and brother, and myself. I think we will learn to be a unified couple where we both lean on each other to be whole. My hubby works many hours ( I work outside the home too) the home work is not shared now, what would having the priesthood for me change other than to tell him he is even less needed than before? I can do most anything and have on my own because he wasn't there- we also have a small ranch, and I have done “man's” work and hated it. I have had to come into the house after taking care of a man's work outside and still do my mothering responsibility, no one picked up “my” work. I need him to have the priesthood and step up to do his share to show me and him that he is needed on earth and in the eternities. I am sorry we don't see life the same way, but I can't and won't take more work on in the name of equality or the priesthood.

  41. SP
    10:32 pm on October 30th, 2013

    Quoting President Hinckley as saying women could be given the priesthood if only we would “agitate” for it is misleading. And, yes Kate I read the entire interview from the link you posted. upon reading the interview I realized president Hinckley said no such thing, he is merely responding to a question by a very adept reporter who is trying to get something extraordinary out of his interviewee as is the job of a good journalist. Of course the reply is , Yes if He chose to change it (as was the case with African Americans getting the priesthood), then it would be changed. What was He supposed to say, No, if God reveals this to us then we still stand firm on his position. What is more revealing though is the rest of his comments concerning women and the priesthood in that particular interview. My goodness if we were going to use the excuse that if only there is enough agitation then God will change something then there are a litany of other what we consider eternal principles that could be changed as well. It also implies that somehow God is more interested in appeasing the masses than to holding to Divine law. I am more of a feminist than you may think reading this. I struggled for a very long time with the Family Proclamation because of its strong gender descriptions. I almost left the church because of it, but I did something that changed my life and my perspective. I prayed with “all the energies” of my heart to know whether or not it was true, and you know what? I was wrong and God was right.

  42. Kayrena
    1:11 pm on April 8th, 2014

    I wholeheartedly loved and supported the premise of this website until it chose to feature this woman. I think that women who are actively trying to change one of God's laws and who choose to ignore the many statements from God's prophets are not women who are strong examples. I would hope that as Mormon women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we would bind together in strengthening one another in making and keeping sacred covenants that lead us back to the Savior. Trying to lobby against God and his ways isn't something I will choose to support or entertain. I hope you will carefully choose who you feature in the future.

  43. susan
    6:28 pm on June 24th, 2014

    I generally do not comment on current events such as this, but I do see parallels in the Chruch's beginnings. Ms. Kelly I admire the courage of your convictions. Indeed convictions have brought the LDS church to the place in the world it is today. I am a convert to the Church and was converted by a very dear friend in high school. I too took a class on Modern Day Revelation and also a class on Joseph the prophet. I came to realize, for me, personally, that for Joseph to have gone through all that he did and to never waver in his convictions and the things he knew were true, indeed, to give his life, to go through all that hell, such that the Church has succeeded and grown to encompass the whole world. As Time Magazine said on it's cover, Mormon, INC.,that the Church and all it teachings must be true. I hope that your beliefs will take you to those same conclusions—–it seems that your life will be interesting, but to be excommunicated from all that has been revealed to you and to not partake, a mighty price you are paying. But then so too, did Joseph Smith pay a huge price, as did Emma and Hyrum. I wish you well and I wish you Grace.

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